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Posted by toyskingstudio on March 28th, 2014 @ 3:35am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on March 28th, 2014 @ 7:35am CDT
Posted by shajaki on March 28th, 2014 @ 8:23am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on March 28th, 2014 @ 8:25am CDT
Not to mention a few more paint apps (check out the robot mode shoulder parts of the wings for instance).shajaki wrote:micron legend starscream looks pretty sweet... strange that a simple switch like grey to white can do.
Posted by Seibertron on March 28th, 2014 @ 9:42am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention a few more paint apps (check out the robot mode shoulder parts of the wings for instance).shajaki wrote:micron legend starscream looks pretty sweet... strange that a simple switch like grey to white can do.
While I think the Takara Tomy version looks better, this is another instance of where looks can be deceiving. With all of the extra paint apps come extra paint flaws that aren't evident on the Hasbro version.
Just about everywhere there is a paint app on this figure there are paint flaws and chips, which seems to be fairly typical of any figure lately that has paint apps. This was also the best of the 5 I was able to choose from. The others all had other varying degrees of paint flaws. I chose the one with the less flaws to its head and face.
Takara's products with all of their extra paint apps seem fine and dandy at first and in official product images, and even in my galleries, but seeing all of the flaws up close is frustrating. I think 20 years from now, the Hasbro versions will be more desired for those who open their items to display them because they will have stood the test of time better.
Posted by shajaki on March 28th, 2014 @ 10:16am CDT
Posted by Seibertron on March 28th, 2014 @ 10:39am CDT
shajaki wrote:that is unfortunate to see, and ive experienced it myself as well. most notably from my foc starscream and united wfc prime. but ill guess anyone overseas who buys import toys are collectors, and will look after them accordingly. but yeah... in the hands of a child? good luck hasbro wins hands down.
Going forward with my Takara galleries I'll start documenting more of these flaws. Binaltechs are what really soured me on the Takara products. They were hyped as being the superior figures to the Alternators yet the Alternators with all of their plastic goodness and fewer paint apps are holding up better.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on March 28th, 2014 @ 10:52am CDT
Seibertron wrote:shajaki wrote:that is unfortunate to see, and ive experienced it myself as well. most notably from my foc starscream and united wfc prime. but ill guess anyone overseas who buys import toys are collectors, and will look after them accordingly. but yeah... in the hands of a child? good luck hasbro wins hands down.
Going forward with my Takara galleries I'll start documenting more of these flaws. Binaltechs are what really soured me on the Takara products. They were hyped as being the superior figures to the Alternators yet the Alternators with all of their plastic goodness and fewer paint apps are holding up better.
I understand why you're wanting to do that, but is it really necessary though? Documenting every single flaw on every figure wouldn't give off a good impression, and aren't paint flaws a known "risk of the trade" so to speak?
Posted by Wolfman Jake on March 28th, 2014 @ 11:09am CDT
Posted by Seibertron on March 28th, 2014 @ 11:14am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Seibertron wrote:shajaki wrote:that is unfortunate to see, and ive experienced it myself as well. most notably from my foc starscream and united wfc prime. but ill guess anyone overseas who buys import toys are collectors, and will look after them accordingly. but yeah... in the hands of a child? good luck hasbro wins hands down.
Going forward with my Takara galleries I'll start documenting more of these flaws. Binaltechs are what really soured me on the Takara products. They were hyped as being the superior figures to the Alternators yet the Alternators with all of their plastic goodness and fewer paint apps are holding up better.
I understand why you're wanting to do that, but is it really necessary though? Documenting every single flaw on every figure wouldn't give off a good impression, and aren't paint flaws a known "risk of the trade" so to speak?
Didn't say I'd document every single flaw on every single figure. Just said I'd start documenting via photos more of these flaws. Takes just a minute more a gallery to knock out a few extra pics like I did for Armada Starscream. Not necessary at all, but nor are a lot of the shots that I take.
Posted by GuyIncognito on March 28th, 2014 @ 11:56am CDT
Posted by Flashwave on March 28th, 2014 @ 1:26pm CDT
For me, I think inherent, across-the-release issues, sure, let's lump together at the end of the gallery. Things like asembly erros, I'd love to know that. and if we're getting reports of consistent (and usually those come in after the galleries come out because Seibs' is on top of things like that) errors, the TFCC paint issues come to mind, bu how likely is it that my Starscream's paint (If I had one) is already faking around the wrist like yours?
Posted by Seibertron on March 28th, 2014 @ 9:34pm CDT
Flashwave wrote:The question I have, aren't flaws going to be different from figure to figure? I think what we're getting at in this thread is either that QC in TakTom's paint is going down, not adhering as well, or the figures themselves are not being handled as delicately as they should be in house?
For me, I think inherent, across-the-release issues, sure, let's lump together at the end of the gallery. Things like asembly erros, I'd love to know that. and if we're getting reports of consistent (and usually those come in after the galleries come out because Seibs' is on top of things like that) errors, the TFCC paint issues come to mind, bu how likely is it that my Starscream's paint (If I had one) is already faking around the wrist like yours?
I just want to shed some light on the fact that Takara products have just as many, if not more, QC problems than Hasbro's products have. Many fans still maintain the false belief that Takara's products are superior to Hasbro's. I just want to provide some visual evidence that this is not usually the case. All of those extra paint apps come at the price of additional QC problems which is frustrating when paying import costs on these items (i.e. a $12 deluxe toy now costs $30 to $40). That's all I want to do is just shed some light on that.
One other issue with Takara's Armada Starscream (at least on mine) ... his head was misassembled. I had to unscrew the head to pop the back part of his head onto the ball joint properly and then screw the head back together. If you look at the first half of his robot mode pics, you'll notice that he's kind of looking at an upward angle because the head is not attached to the ball joint properly.
Posted by Blurrz on March 29th, 2014 @ 1:45am CDT
Posted by Flux Convoy on March 29th, 2014 @ 2:44pm CDT
Posted by Va'al on April 1st, 2014 @ 7:41pm CDT
Transformers Generations Grimlock
Transformers Generations Starscream
Posted by Wolfman Jake on April 1st, 2014 @ 7:57pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 1st, 2014 @ 8:41pm CDT
Not to mention game-accurate.Wolfman Jake wrote:I covet that Takara-Tomy Grimlock with his G1-accurate red abs and pelvis.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on April 1st, 2014 @ 9:22pm CDT
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on April 1st, 2014 @ 10:09pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention game-accurate.Wolfman Jake wrote:I covet that Takara-Tomy Grimlock with his G1-accurate red abs and pelvis.
I bought one during a "toy hunt" in Hong Kong. It's awesome.
If only he were leader class, he'd be my definitive neo-G1 Grimlock for my MP collection. I know there's already an MP Grimlock, but I just have this peeve against the non-accurate T-Rex alt mode. I know that's how he was depicted in the G1 cartoons as well as the original toy, but I just prefer a more "updated" T-Rex mode.
Posted by Rated X on April 2nd, 2014 @ 12:24am CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:True, but I want that one specifically for my Classics shelf! I don't know why this mold doesn't get more respect. It's a very good update for the original G1 Grimlock and manages to homage the vintage Transformation scheme quite well. Plus, he scales REALLY nicely with Classics Voyager Optimus Prime.
The mold gets so much hate because of the fugly dino tail. I had to buy the Zenith Forge and Iron Factory upgrade sets plus an Artek gun to get him looking really good in robot mode. it's a shame those sets were never done in the takara grey plastic or even for the red version.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on April 2nd, 2014 @ 10:08am CDT
Posted by Amelie on April 2nd, 2014 @ 5:24pm CDT
Ryan - did it look that pink when you had it in hand, or is this some kinda photo trickery?
Posted by Sabrblade on April 2nd, 2014 @ 7:48pm CDT
I think you might need to adjust your monitor since the Takara one makes Hasbro's Starscream look pink.Amelie wrote:That Starscream looks awfully... pink. Would only take a swap of the blue for something else and it would easily pass for a new character.
Ryan - did it look that pink when you had it in hand, or is this some kinda photo trickery?
Posted by Amelie on April 2nd, 2014 @ 8:17pm CDT
Nah, thats clearly a cerise kinda tone, when compared to
and I had to double check in Gimp - even that said it [FOC Starscream] was pink
Posted by SKYWARPED_128 on April 2nd, 2014 @ 8:20pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I think you might need to adjust your monitor since the Takara one makes Hasbro's Starscream look pink.Amelie wrote:That Starscream looks awfully... pink. Would only take a swap of the blue for something else and it would easily pass for a new character.
Ryan - did it look that pink when you had it in hand, or is this some kinda photo trickery?
Actually, I'm seeing the same thing as Amelie. The TT version does look like pinkish metal.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 2nd, 2014 @ 8:24pm CDT
Posted by Amelie on April 2nd, 2014 @ 8:30pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Oh, THAT Starscream. I thought you meant the Armada one (I momentarily forgot about the FOC one). Whoops.
Lol. I'll forgive you.
Posted by xyl360 on April 3rd, 2014 @ 5:28am CDT
Amelie wrote:That Starscream looks awfully... pink. Would only take a swap of the blue for something else and it would easily pass for a new character.
Ryan - did it look that pink when you had it in hand, or is this some kinda photo trickery?
They're both pink/fuchsia because that's the color he was in the game. The darker, more metallic tones used on the Takara version are more game accurate, but neither one (Hasbro or Takara) is red.
I've got all of the FoC seeker variants so far except Takara's Thundercracker, which I've got on preorder.
I definitely prefer Takara's Starscream and Skywarp for their more metallic tones and better game accuracy, but Hasbro's aren't bad. I really like that Hasbro is being consistent with their Thundercrackers, using the same darker tone of blue for their MP and now their FoC versions as they used on their Generations Earth mode deluxe. It's a really nice color scheme for TC even if it isn't really show accurate or game accurate. It just looks nice .
Posted by Flux Convoy on April 4th, 2014 @ 5:39pm CDT
Posted by xyl360 on April 4th, 2014 @ 10:28pm CDT
Flux Convoy wrote:I have both the Takara Grimlock and Starscream. I think they are far superior decos to the Hasbro releases for who they are meant to be in that universe. I keep the Hasbro version of that Starscream at my desk because I think the mold is fun. Just need a Sunstorm from it.
Yeah, I wish they'd do all the Seekers from it, including (if possible through some minor modding) the coneheads. That would be sweet.
Posted by shajaki on April 4th, 2014 @ 10:47pm CDT
xyl360 wrote:I wish they'd do all the Seekers from it, including (if possible through some minor modding) the coneheads. That would be sweet.
with all the seeker love we've gotten the past couple years im actually surprised they havent conehead'd this mold.
but what would be EVEN better than coneheads (this being a cybertronian jet close enough to the tatra jet) is the rainmakers or welcoming committee. whats like without dreams eh?
Posted by xyl360 on April 4th, 2014 @ 11:27pm CDT
shajaki wrote:xyl360 wrote:I wish they'd do all the Seekers from it, including (if possible through some minor modding) the coneheads. That would be sweet.
with all the seeker love we've gotten the past couple years im actually surprised they havent conehead'd this mold.
but what would be EVEN better than coneheads (this being a cybertronian jet close enough to the tatra jet) is the rainmakers or welcoming committee. whats like without dreams eh?
Yeah, Sunstorm, Acid Storm and (finally?) an Ice Storm would be amazing from that mold.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on April 5th, 2014 @ 2:41am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 5th, 2014 @ 8:26am CDT
Right. Though, BotCon 2013 finally gave official names to the purple Seeker and the teal Seeker who appeared alongside Sunstorm: "Hotlink" and "Bitstream", respectively.Wolfman Jake wrote:Sunstorm and the yellow "Rainmaker" are two different guys, actually. Sunstorm appeared in More Than Meets the Eye Part 1 along with two different blue seekers and a purple one. The yellow and blue Rainmakers have yet to be named. Acid storm, the green one, is the only name we have so far for that trio.
And the yellow and blue Rainmakers were finally given official designators (but not names) by the Loyal Subjects after all these years: "the Yellow Seeker" and "the Blue Seeker", respectively.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 5th, 2014 @ 8:28am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Right. Though, BotCon 2013 finally gave official names to the purple Seeker and the teal Seeker who appeared alongside Sunstorm: "Hotlink" and "Bitstream", respectively.Wolfman Jake wrote:Sunstorm and the yellow "Rainmaker" are two different guys, actually. Sunstorm appeared in More Than Meets the Eye Part 1 along with two different blue seekers and a purple one. The yellow and blue Rainmakers have yet to be named. Acid storm, the green one, is the only name we have so far for that trio.
And the yellow and blue Rainmakers were finally given official designators (but not names) by the Loyal Subjects after all these years: "the Yellow Seeker" and "the Blue Seeker", respectively.
And FunPub admitted that the "Rainmakers" name of the Troop Builder set of last year was a big misnomer.
Posted by shajaki on April 5th, 2014 @ 11:19am CDT
i also suggested they officially recognize the blue member of the rainmakers and dub him ice storm (as ive seen some customs on ebay naming him that) and it fits quite nicely.
this is what i was told...
Sunstorm is not a member of the Rainmakers. This was confirmed from Hasbro. He currently has no name. The blue one technically doesn't either, as FunPub has also mentioned. However, the blue guy in both the Rainmakers and the Welcoming Committee appear to be the same guy: Bitstream.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Rainmaker
i can accept that sunstorm isnt a rainmaker as the yellow rainmaker is such a bright yellow and sunstorm is usually a darker yellow/orange. but saying bitstream is part of both groups i think is silly. one is teal, and the other is the faded jeans blue...
and youd think that all the rainmakers would have the word "storm" in their names. that would have been neat.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 5th, 2014 @ 1:27pm CDT
Posted by Seibertron on April 7th, 2014 @ 10:20am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:I think you might need to adjust your monitor since the Takara one makes Hasbro's Starscream look pink.Amelie wrote:That Starscream looks awfully... pink. Would only take a swap of the blue for something else and it would easily pass for a new character.
Ryan - did it look that pink when you had it in hand, or is this some kinda photo trickery?
The Takara Tomy Generations Starscream mold has a weird purplish/magenta red color to it. I'm not a fan and prefer the more traditional red color on Hasbro's FOC Starscream.
Posted by Seibertron on April 7th, 2014 @ 10:21am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Bitstream and the Blue Rainmaker aren't the same guy. I don't know where that came from, but it ain't right.
I think it's silly that they've split up all of those seekers. There should just be 9 primary seekers in my book: Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Dirge, Ramjet, Thrust, Sunstorm, Acid Storm and whatever they decide on for the other blue or purple guy.
Posted by Evil Eye on April 7th, 2014 @ 1:37pm CDT
That said, I don't intend to replace my beloved Armada Starscream any time soon- he's one of my favourite TFs ever after all.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on April 7th, 2014 @ 2:22pm CDT
As I've mentioned several times before, the risk of importing Takara-Tomy's figures can be largely mitigated with an investment in some hobby paint. I recently bought Henkei Optimus Prime, and he came with a small paint blemish/chip right on his faceplate. A metallic sliver Sharpie paint marker fixed that right up.
Those who love this hobby have to be willing to do the research and put in the additional effort, be it saving up a bit more money, learning to touch up paint errors on figures, or just practicing a bit of patience, to get what they want on their shelves.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 7th, 2014 @ 10:22pm CDT
Amelie and I cleared this up. I goofed and thought she was talking about the Armada Starscream instead of the FOC Starscream, as I had a brainfart and momentarily forgot about the FOC Starscream at the time.Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I think you might need to adjust your monitor since the Takara one makes Hasbro's Starscream look pink.Amelie wrote:That Starscream looks awfully... pink. Would only take a swap of the blue for something else and it would easily pass for a new character.
Ryan - did it look that pink when you had it in hand, or is this some kinda photo trickery?
The Takara Tomy Generations Starscream mold has a weird purplish/magenta red color to it. I'm not a fan and prefer the more traditional red color on Hasbro's FOC Starscream.
Well, since Sunstorm was one of the Welcoming Committee (which we got toys of at lat year's BotCon) and Acid Storm one of the Rainmakers, that still leaves at least two more Seeker names unaccounted for.Seibertron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Bitstream and the Blue Rainmaker aren't the same guy. I don't know where that came from, but it ain't right.
I think it's silly that they've split up all of those seekers. There should just be 9 primary seekers in my book: Starscream, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Dirge, Ramjet, Thrust, Sunstorm, Acid Storm and whatever they decide on for the other blue or purple guy.
To say nothing of these guys, though:
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