Studio Series 86 Ironhide Seems to be a Completely New Mold

That looks w lot better than the previous Deluxe figure.

...Maybe THIS one will get a proper Shattered Glass Deco down the road?

I'm good with the Earthrise release. However, I missed Ratchet, so I'll need to get him. Hopefully neither are exclusives.

Is it possible this is a retool of Core Class Ratchet and thus a Core figure? It's hard to judge size and scale with just this image.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Is it possible this is a retool of Core Class Ratchet and thus a Core figure? It's hard to judge size and scale with just this image.

It's a Voyager Class figure.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Is it possible this is a retool of Core Class Ratchet and thus a Core figure? It's hard to judge size and scale with just this image.

They look too different:

From the looks of this, I will probably cave & get it.
I would’ve preferred a painted windshield; a transparent one doesn’t add anything to either mode. And knowing the other windows won’t be transparent is even more of a reason to use opaque, painted plastic.
I’m also hopeful that this means this same mold will be used for Ratchet next year.

Also, I don’t think this is a core figure… Just imo from what I can see.

Until this mold comes out there is still no decent G1 molds outside of that convention exclusive (not inckuding MP or third party anyhoos) Not sure about the shoulders on this and will have to wait to see more photos.

He has a head. So he isn't '86 accurate...

I didn't have a problem with the robot mode of the ER figure, it was the vehicle mode. So if we do get a brand new SS86 Ironhide/Ratchet mold, that's what needs to be fixed.

william-james88 wrote:Crazy to think that there was a time when there were no decent G1 style Ironhide molds outside of one convention exclusive redeco. But now, not only do we have a G1 mold with the Siege toy, plus a more G1 accurate G1 mold with the Earthrise retool we now have an EVEN MORE accurate G1 mold with the upcoming Studio Series 86 toy. You can see the first image of it below. It's a cropped out image of the robot mode but it gives us a good enough idea that the mold is new. So, if this is indeed the toy we are getting, would you be replacing your Earthrise version? And most of all, are you glad that you no longer have to chase down that Earthrise version?

One last bit, we do not know the original source for the image so if you are the owner, let us know.

This looks fake, like a third party figure. Too perfect.
If the alt mode looks good too, sell me the Ratchet version!

Sabrblade wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Is it possible this is a retool of Core Class Ratchet and thus a Core figure? It's hard to judge size and scale with just this image.

They look too different:

They might share engineering. arms look similar. The kibble flaps end up on the front of the leg on ratchet, and side of the leg on Ironhide.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:He has a head. So he isn't '86 accurate...

That, that cut me deep bro. I need a moment.

Any chance this is an Authentics or Cyber Series figure?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:He has a head. So he isn't '86 accurate...

That, that cut me deep bro. I need a moment.

Any chance this is an Authentics or Cyber Series figure?

Seriously though. Some of these figures are going to need effects parts.

Can't recreate the scene without a proper Megatron anyway, and we'll never get that. The designers pretty much said so.

This was bound to confuse fans. While the Studio Series 86 line will have both Ratchet AND Ironhide this year, they are not the same class, and are entirely different molds. The Ironhide we just showed you is a voyager class toy, while the upcoming Ratchet is a core class toy. There will probably be redecos later on but for now, the two autobots are in different classes. Regarding Ratchet, the toy is now out in Taiwan and has been bought at retail. This means we have a better look at the toy through a video review (and screenshots). And this shows us his bot and alt mode at a different angle than we have seen before and it gives us a look at the backdrop we get with the toy which happens to be the shuttle cockpit where Ratchet had his last stand.

Still think Rachete is great for the price. Ironhide is a pleasant surprise being a new mold.

I have Botcon Ironhide.
I have Combiner Wars Ironhide.
I have Siege Ironhide.
I have Earthrise Ironhide.
I will get Studio Series '86 Ironhide.

I will not sell any of the other figures either as I'm at that point in my collecting that I no longer need to sell older figures just because a newer/better one appears. I did however sell Universe 2.0 Ironhide because while I did like it, it just didn't work very well as a whole and I became as disappointed with it as he looked with his droopy head. Okay I might sell Siege Ironhide but only because I picked up two to do a black custom of one but they got around to doing that before I could. I'll sell my second Siege Ratchet too even though they never did yellow or green Ratchet at any point. I'd sell my third Ratchet as well but I already started his greenification even though I never did finish it. If I knew how much that figure would end up going for, I would've picked up more when they were clogging the Walgreens shelves in my extended area. I could've had as many of him as I have PotP Wreck-Gar and I stopped at eight of him.

It would be awesome if the eventual voyager Ratchet comes with two guns for better accuracy. I always loved that it was the medic and not the weapons specialist that pulled out the two guns. Shame that it didn't help his accuracy any.

One hope I have is that I want at least the Earthrise mold to released as Energon Towline at some point. It just feels like such a wasted opportunity.

Oh and I thought they were going to stop the translucent windows? It's not like this is part of Legacy and has the same gimmick with the weapons. Not only the chest has it but it looks like some of those leg flaps are made out of it too. That's cool I guess for the vehicle mode having Translucent windows and all but it doesn't do anything for me. They're prone to breaking and red is a difficult color to paint match with as we already know from Earthrise Ironhide. I do appreciate that the front hip skirts are separate pieces and not a single piece as on the Earthrise Seeker mold. Or rather, that's how it appears.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:He has a head. So he isn't '86 accurate...

That, that cut me deep bro. I need a moment.

Any chance this is an Authentics or Cyber Series figure?

no

With the way figures have been getting leaked like this before any real official pix/info from Hasbro I think it looks Legit, deluxe proper Ironhide. Ill get him for sure.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Can't recreate the scene without a proper Megatron anyway, and we'll never get that. The designers pretty much said so.

This is the closest they will likely ever allow.

Not bad, better looking than the most recent Ironhides. Though I still think I'll stick with my iGear weapon specialist for now. Looks small hopefully he comes with a good amount of accessories

Seriously, this looks like everything and more that the WFC molds just simply were not. I might be speaking too soon, but those proportions just look so correct. Let’s hope we get a full sized Ratchet out of him too.

I put my Earthrise Ironhide and Prowl set up for sale on Ebay last week, there's one day left on the auction, but now this new Ironhide has been leaked I'm guessing the resale value of the Earthrise version will drop, so I'm not expecting to get a good amount of money for the set. Either way, this looks a lot better than the Earthrise Ironhide, the only thing I'm not keen on is the face design, it reminds me too much of Blurr and his weird Lumiere from Beauty and the Beast face. Nevertheless, I'll definitely be buying this when it's out, but with the Core Ratchet already being a thing, I do wonder how long it will be before this mould is repainted into Ratchet. Perhaps they'll put Ratchet in Legacy instead?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:Can't recreate the scene without a proper Megatron anyway, and we'll never get that. The designers pretty much said so.

This is the closest they will likely ever allow.

Gut red is made of garbage materials!

ZeroWolf wrote:Still think Rachete is great for the price. Ironhide is a pleasant surprise being a new mold.

correction: Ratchete

Looks like I wasted my money on that pricy exclusive ER version. At least I have Prowl and Lifeline to show for it.

I mean it's about all I could hope for and, possibly, the final work on Ironhide. But it stings that they didn't get this right the first time around.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Looks like I wasted my money on that pricy exclusive ER version. At least I have Prowl and Lifeline to show for it.

I mean it's about all I could hope for and, possibly, the final work on Ironhide. But it stings that they didn't get this right the first time around.

Ebay sell it fast! Get tons of money!

I'm not sure it would be affected too much because it still has G1 Prowl that you cannot get elsewhere. Sure it probably won't command the uber ridiculously high prices it is/was currently but I suspect it will still be quite high and certainly more than Retail.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I didn't have a problem with the robot mode of the ER figure, it was the vehicle mode. So if we do get a brand new SS86 Ironhide/Ratchet mold, that's what needs to be fixed.

Same here, since I keep them all displayed in Bot mode this is the part that concerns me most and both ER Ratchet and Ironhide are okay in that dept. Yes, the alt mode is what truly look bad so it would have to be all new ground up in that regard for it to be a major improvement.

That said, I do like the new chest being slightly more toon accurate. However, I'm not thrilled he's now at a Voyager price point. I personally can't see any difference from Siege/ER mold in terms of complexity/engineering to justify Voyager price. And since I already invested a lot of time and money tracking down the 2-pk I don't feel good about rebuying him.

Personally I'd have preferred they used this opportunity to get G1 Hound knocked out and revisit IH another time.

I have Siege Ironhide & Ratchet and I'm very happy with their bot mode. I cancelled my Earthrise preorders of the two because Hasbro didn't change the stupid feet. I got DK Guard for the same Earthrise mold experience anyway...

So this SS86 Ironhide & the possible Ratchet: It's all about the alt mode for me to MAYBE rope me in. I said MAYBE because with the ridiculous prices, I'd rather look at my MP Ironhide whenever I want to "vroom vroom" with a red van.

william-james88 wrote:Crazy to think that there was a time when there were no decent G1 style Ironhide molds outside of one convention exclusive redeco. But now, not only do we have a G1 mold with the Siege toy, plus a more G1 accurate G1 mold with the Earthrise retool we now have an EVEN MORE accurate G1 mold with the upcoming Studio Series 86 toy. You can see the first image of it below. It's a cropped out image of the robot mode but it gives us a good enough idea that the mold is new. So, if this is indeed the toy we are getting, would you be replacing your Earthrise version? And most of all, are you glad that you no longer have to chase down that Earthrise version?

One last bit, we do not know the original source for the image so if you are the owner, let us know.

Color me intrigued. Skipped Siege and Earthrise, so this may be my Ironhide.

Maybe it's the image, but that Ironhide looks derpy NGL.

From what I can see, I’m calling it that the feet are the top-rear section of the van. There is just enough of a diagonal from the top of the feet towards the “toes”, plus under the “toes” are hinges;
I’m betting the panels under the bot feet unfold to become the back of the van.
Just looked at a couple photos, & the back of the van of the original toy and the animation model show the back being completely flat.
All this to say it looks like the foot issue of the previous versions have been resolved.
Another reason I may get this version is because there’s not nearly as much greebling!!

I get the SS86 aesthetic, but he looks TOO cartoony to me. I have both Siege Ratchet and Ironhide, and will stick with those. Love the bot modes, really interesting and different transformation, and the feet hanging off the back aren't as jarring on a cybertronian vehicle as they are on an Earth vehicle.

Yeah.... not really tempted by this Core class Ratchet. I'll stick with the Siege/Walgreens version for now.

The Ironhide looks like a heavily modified version of the ER mold. The weapon looks similar at least. We must wait and see more...

OMG!

WHAT IF RATCHET IS CORE CLASS SO WE CAN RECREATE THIS ANIMATION ERROR?

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:OMG!

WHAT IF RATCHET IS CORE CLASS SO WE CAN RECREATE THIS ANIMATION ERROR?

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That is Core class Ratchet.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:OMG!

WHAT IF RATCHET IS CORE CLASS SO WE CAN RECREATE THIS ANIMATION ERROR?

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That is Core class Ratchet.

I know. I was saying what if they made him like that for this scene.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:OMG!

WHAT IF RATCHET IS CORE CLASS SO WE CAN RECREATE THIS ANIMATION ERROR?

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That is Core class Ratchet.

I know. I was saying what if they made him like that for this scene.

Oh. I doubt it, but Starscream did get a new release with a bunch of accessories just for 1 scene, so I guess its not impossible. I would also say that Hasbro is not into homaging animation errors, but we also got Hauler, and mini Shockwave, so maybe?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:OMG!

WHAT IF RATCHET IS CORE CLASS SO WE CAN RECREATE THIS ANIMATION ERROR?

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That is Core class Ratchet.

I know. I was saying what if they made him like that for this scene.

Oh. I doubt it, but Starscream did get a new release with a bunch of accessories just for 1 scene, so I guess its not impossible. I would also say that Hasbro is not into homaging animation errors, but we also got Hauler, and mini Shockwave, so maybe?

Then we NEED a titan class ultra magnus!
note: (I've already posted about core class ratchet animation error some time ago, we've already discussed this! )

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:OMG!

WHAT IF RATCHET IS CORE CLASS SO WE CAN RECREATE THIS ANIMATION ERROR?

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That is Core class Ratchet.

I know. I was saying what if they made him like that for this scene.

Oh. I doubt it, but Starscream did get a new release with a bunch of accessories just for 1 scene, so I guess its not impossible. I would also say that Hasbro is not into homaging animation errors, but we also got Hauler, and mini Shockwave, so maybe?

Then we NEED a titan class ultra magnus!
note: (I've already posted about core class ratchet animation error some time ago, we've already discussed this! )

I'll also want a tiny Hoist and a big Huffer

Well, bring on Prowl, Ratchet and Brawn!

So a core Hoist and a titan huffer eh?

ZeroWolf wrote:So a core Hoist and a titan huffer eh?

No, an transformable headmaster size posable figure of hoist!

I hope Core Ironhide and Voyager Ratchet aren't exclusives.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I hope Core Ironhide and Voyager Ratchet aren't exclusives.

Same

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I hope Core Ironhide and Voyager Ratchet aren't exclusives.

Same

They definitely could be
But I hope not, cause I need a Ratchet!

I really like Siege Ironhide, and still consider him the definitive G1-ish Ironhide. ER went backwards, and this one looks like it continues that trend. I really wish his voyager slot would have gone to someone else, just like Starscream's leader slot

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I really like Siege Ironhide, and still consider him the definitive G1-ish Ironhide. ER went backwards, and this one looks like it continues that trend. I really wish his voyager slot would have gone to someone else, just like Starscream's leader slot

We must be looking at two different pictures, cuz I think he looks better than either of those. Still, this is early, so I'm willing to reserve judgement until we get better visuals.

sol magnus wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I really like Siege Ironhide, and still consider him the definitive G1-ish Ironhide. ER went backwards, and this one looks like it continues that trend. I really wish his voyager slot would have gone to someone else, just like Starscream's leader slot

We must be looking at two different pictures, cuz I think he looks better than either of those. Still, this is early, so I'm willing to reserve judgement until we get better visuals.

He looks too cartoony to me. Mind you, I HATE G1 cartoon designs/accuracy almost universally. But he just doesn't look that good, especially looking at the very good Siege one

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I really like Siege Ironhide, and still consider him the definitive G1-ish Ironhide. ER went backwards, and this one looks like it continues that trend. I really wish his voyager slot would have gone to someone else, just like Starscream's leader slot

We must be looking at two different pictures, cuz I think he looks better than either of those. Still, this is early, so I'm willing to reserve judgement until we get better visuals.

He looks too cartoony to me. Mind you, I HATE G1 cartoon designs/accuracy almost universally. But he just doesn't look that good, especially looking at the very good Siege one

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I half agree. I've noticed after tracing toys in adobe illustrator that the toy designs are actually a lot cooler than the cartoon designs.