New Images of Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Computron and Cybaxx Name Revealed

He DOES have a name! I am so delighted! As to who or what that name is a reference to, I have no clue. But I am so happy he has a name, unlike Dumptruck #2 in ROTF Devastator.

So it's not Payload after all. What a shock...

It looks like the stupid stock photo pose Fort Max/Astrotrain/G2 Bruticus used... but at least this time he's aiming a gun. It's a little better. A LITTLE.

Also I think this is the first time we've gotten a look at the feet's ankle tilts. They're nice.

The drill looks better in the photo where it's just a tank with a drill instead of a barrel than the other pics where it's a backwards tank/drill abomination. Still not as good as takara, but a lot better.

Optimum Supreme wrote:The drill looks better in the photo where it's just a tank with a drill instead of a barrel than the other pics where it's a backwards tank/drill abomination. Still not as good as takara, but a lot better.

Yeah, it looks more cohesive, if less practical now - plus its kind of cuddly

That, and the turret can be articulated upwards on the transformation arms, it'd give the vehicle mode some articulation, may lend it some cool options

Gearslide wrote:He DOES have a name! I am so delighted! As to who or what that name is a reference to, I have no clue. But I am so happy he has a name, unlock Dumptruck #2 in ROTF Devastator.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:So it's not Payload after all. What a shock...

Guess John Warden and Friends changed their minds since BotCon.

Sabrblade wrote:

Gearslide wrote:He DOES have a name! I am so delighted! As to who or what that name is a reference to, I have no clue. But I am so happy he has a name, unlock Dumptruck #2 in ROTF Devastator.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:So it's not Payload after all. What a shock...

Guess John Warden and Friends changed their minds since BotCon.

Wouldn't the boxes have been printed and loaded onto ships already or something?

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Gearslide wrote:He DOES have a name! I am so delighted! As to who or what that name is a reference to, I have no clue. But I am so happy he has a name, unlock Dumptruck #2 in ROTF Devastator.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:So it's not Payload after all. What a shock...

Guess John Warden and Friends changed their minds since BotCon.

Wouldn't the boxes have been printed and loaded onto ships already or something?

There was no box on display at BotCon. John and Ben said it was still Payload at both the Hasbro Brand Panel and again at the Hasbro Booth.

Kurona wrote:Also I think this is the first time we've gotten a look at the feet's ankle tilts. They're nice.

I guess, but I still wish there was something to do with them while the component figures were separate like they did for Victorion.

Zeedust wrote:

Kurona wrote:Also I think this is the first time we've gotten a look at the feet's ankle tilts. They're nice.

I guess, but I still wish there was something to do with them while the component figures were separate like they did for Victorion.

The feet can become back packs for the deluxe's and the hands can become Scrounge's hammers.

Hey guys, just some thoughts I wanted to share. When Quantron (not computron first came out), it was a hot item. I love the techonobots due to their futuristic look, how their colours work and how the overal combiner looks, so this was tempting. He is dirt cheap on BBTS now but I am definitely no longer interested. Compared to Takara's, he doesn't look much like Computron and definitely not when you look at the individual members. They look overworked and not smooth at all. Like other 3p toys, those look less G1 and more Neo G1. Lightspeed is a good example since he looks nothing like the car in the cartoon.



Plus the combiner peg system Hasbro and Takara developped is the best so far. So I am glad I decided not to get him back when I had found the price too much to bear.

Not saying anything against anyone who did get him, since I too wanted him. But looking back, it just doesnt look as good as the upcoming Takara Computron, nor as fun to play with.

william-james88 wrote:Hey guys, just some thoughts I wanted to share. When Quantron (not computron first came out), it was a hot item. I love the techonobots due to their futuristic look, how their colours work and how the overal combiner looks, so this was tempting. He is dirt cheap on BBTS now but I am definitely no longer interested. Compared to Takara's, he doesn't look much like Computron and definitely not when you look at the individual members. They look overworked and not smooth at all. Like other 3p toys, those look less G1 and more Neo G1. Lightspeed is a good example since he looks nothing like the car in the cartoon.



Plus the combiner peg system Hasbro and Takara developped is the best so far. So I am glad I decided not to get him back when I had found the price too much to bear.

Not saying anything against anyone who did get him, since I too wanted him. But looking back, it just doesnt look as good as the upcoming Takara Computron, nor as fun to play with.

On the plus side, he is substantially less likely to suffer stress fractures from the simple act of combining him on account of his plastic not being laced with suckium.

Also more paint, better detailing, ANKLE TILTS etc.

william-james88 wrote:Hey guys, just some thoughts I wanted to share. When Quantron (not computron first came out), it was a hot item. I love the techonobots due to their futuristic look, how their colours work and how the overal combiner looks, so this was tempting. He is dirt cheap on BBTS now but I am definitely no longer interested. Compared to Takara's, he doesn't look much like Computron and definitely not when you look at the individual members. They look overworked and not smooth at all. Like other 3p toys, those look less G1 and more Neo G1. Lightspeed is a good example since he looks nothing like the car in the cartoon.



Plus the combiner peg system Hasbro and Takara developped is the best so far. So I am glad I decided not to get him back when I had found the price too much to bear.

Not saying anything against anyone who did get him, since I too wanted him. But looking back, it just doesnt look as good as the upcoming Takara Computron, nor as fun to play with.

Well, I think Quantron was intended to be a "Classics" version of the Technobots, meaning updated versions of the G1 characters along the lines of how Classics started. Indeed, Afterburner is a Tron Light Cycle, and the main Scattershot nose cannon turns into a giant bow looking thing for Computron.

Plus, I think they are just darn cool looking.

I am curious how Hasbro, Takara, and MT versions will look next to each other...

Sabrblade wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Gearslide wrote:He DOES have a name! I am so delighted! As to who or what that name is a reference to, I have no clue. But I am so happy he has a name, unlock Dumptruck #2 in ROTF Devastator.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:So it's not Payload after all. What a shock...

Guess John Warden and Friends changed their minds since BotCon.

Wouldn't the boxes have been printed and loaded onto ships already or something?

There was no box on display at BotCon. John and Ben said it was still Payload at both the Hasbro Brand Panel and again at the Hasbro Booth.

For all intents and purposes, he remains unnamed on the actual box: I looked all over, but never spotted a name for the little guy, probably because he's considered an "accessory", not a full "figure" (gotta keep that 6-figure count!).

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:For all intents and purposes, he remains unnamed on the actual box: I looked all over, but never spotted a name for the little guy, probably because he's considered an "accessory", not a full "figure" (gotta keep that 6-figure count!).

If anything, I think Hasbro would want to promote a 7th figure, to make up for all those who felt cheated that Botcon Predacus only had 5, because that little guy would totaly make up for it .

3rd party combiners are not fun to play with

Bumblebee21 wrote:3rd party combiners are not fun to play with

They really don't look like it. I know from watching Emgo that he prefers the 3rd party combiners (he really did not find Devastator good), but to me they are just too busy and like you said not fun. I have got myself to the point where I can get my combiners from alt mode to combined mode in under 8 minutes. 8 minutes to transform and combine 6 figures. That is awesome, and very easy to switch out and do all kinds of things, including scramble. That to me is the fun of it. They look awesome as collectibles on my shelves, but they are also fun to take off the shelves and play with

Bumblebee21 wrote:3rd party combiners are not fun to play with

As a regretful Feral Rex owner, I vouch for this.

Thanks for the advice about Hound, Smokescreen, Wheeljack, and Trailbreaker on the last page guys. I'll at least get Hound because he seems unanimously approved.

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:They really don't look like it. I know from watching Emgo that he prefers the 3rd party combiners (he really did not find Devastator good), but to me they are just too busy and like you said not fun. I have got myself to the point where I can get my combiners from alt mode to combined mode in under 8 minutes. 8 minutes to transform and combine 6 figures. That is awesome, and very easy to switch out and do all kinds of things, including scramble. That to me is the fun of it. They look awesome as collectibles on my shelves, but they are also fun to take off the shelves and play with

I agree with you on this point D-Maximus. While it gets annoying having the same molds, it is very nice being able to know the ins-and-outs of each figure, and being able to combine quickly.

Somewhere between Combiner Wars' simplicity and fun and Third Parties' solidity and unique molds there's a perfect balance...

joeprime276 wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:They really don't look like it. I know from watching Emgo that he prefers the 3rd party combiners (he really did not find Devastator good), but to me they are just too busy and like you said not fun. I have got myself to the point where I can get my combiners from alt mode to combined mode in under 8 minutes. 8 minutes to transform and combine 6 figures. That is awesome, and very easy to switch out and do all kinds of things, including scramble. That to me is the fun of it. They look awesome as collectibles on my shelves, but they are also fun to take off the shelves and play with

I agree with you on this point D-Maximus. While it gets annoying having the same molds, it is very nice being able to know the ins-and-outs of each figure, and being able to combine quickly.

The same molds argument is also applicable to third parties. They too have budgets and cost restrictions. Feral Rex has 6 components and 3 are retools. So yeah, those cost 100$ a piece and were not all unique molds either.

My main question about computron earlier though was that I had assumed that 3p companies existed for the diehard fans and I assumed that die hard fans were the G1 kind, willing to spend a lot of money to fill a spot in their colection. And thus I would assume that given the choice, they would preffer something closer to G1 rather than the neo G1 feel of Classics which is no longer the approach of the genertions line (not completely though, as is proof of the current casette bots). In any case, the massive discount on Quantron does reinforce this since the sellers who still stalk him are worried that they would never sell out at full price, most probably due to the other options.

william-james88 wrote:

joeprime276 wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:They really don't look like it. I know from watching Emgo that he prefers the 3rd party combiners (he really did not find Devastator good), but to me they are just too busy and like you said not fun. I have got myself to the point where I can get my combiners from alt mode to combined mode in under 8 minutes. 8 minutes to transform and combine 6 figures. That is awesome, and very easy to switch out and do all kinds of things, including scramble. That to me is the fun of it. They look awesome as collectibles on my shelves, but they are also fun to take off the shelves and play with

I agree with you on this point D-Maximus. While it gets annoying having the same molds, it is very nice being able to know the ins-and-outs of each figure, and being able to combine quickly.

The same molds argument is also applicable to third parties. They too have budgets and cost restrictions. Feral Rex has 6 components and 3 are retools. So yeah, those cost 100$ a piece and were not all unique molds either.

My main question about computron earlier though was that I had assumed that 3p companies existed for the diehard fans and I assumed that die hard fans were the G1 kind, willing to spend a lot of money to fill a spot in their colection. And thus I would assume that given the choice, they would preffer something closer to G1 rather than the neo G1 feel of Classics which is no longer the approach of the genertions line (not completely though, as is proof of the current casette bots). In any case, the massive discount on Quantron does reinforce this since the sellers who still stalk him are worried that they would never sell out at full price, most probably due to the other options.

I can only speak for myself, but this is a bad assumption to me. I got into 3P to fill needs Hasbro wasn't fulfilling. I started with City Commander and the Energon Bruticus add-on, both from Fans Project. Both were very much "Classics" takes. In my opinion, combiners like Hercules (Devastator), Feral Rex (Predaking), Intimidator (Menasor), and Ordin (Abominus) all continued this "Classics" movement while providing us with something that Hasbro (at the time) wasn't providing. I don't think CW was a twinkle in Hasbro's eye when MakeToys came out with Quantron. True, there are other takes on combiners that are more "G1" but those don't really interest me, and I would not classify Quantron in that arena.

All that said, I also got every CW figure so far and a number of UW figs too. While my 3P are mostly display pieces, I do really enjoy them, particularly Feral Rex and Ordin. I wish I knew that Hasbro was going to do some of these figures so I could be patient... But, alas, too much disposable income and too much cool stuff out there.

Does that make sense? I'm certainly not ragging on anyone, and I don't want to bring into this discussion too much 3P. But I definitely like to offer some opposing opinions, especially if they can help prevent stereotyping/generalizing.

And if anyone wants to continue the 3P discussions, we have a great 3P section to have these in and share some pics and opinions. I love to read them and discuss!

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:

Bumblebee21 wrote:3rd party combiners are not fun to play with

They really don't look like it. I know from watching Emgo that he prefers the 3rd party combiners (he really did not find Devastator good), but to me they are just too busy and like you said not fun. I have got myself to the point where I can get my combiners from alt mode to combined mode in under 8 minutes. 8 minutes to transform and combine 6 figures. That is awesome, and very easy to switch out and do all kinds of things, including scramble. That to me is the fun of it. They look awesome as collectibles on my shelves, but they are also fun to take off the shelves and play with

i want a combiner i can take off the shelf and play with without the fear of it breaking.all third party combiners look busy. Quantron and wings of Uranos are the busiest.they also can take almost a couple hours to do. Switching combiners is probably the best and most fun feature on the combiner wars figures. Combiner wars figures are better than most 3rd party products

The funny thing is, I used to be a big proponent of Combiner Wars. For the most part the designs are great. Aesthetically they look good (though I am rather fond of a lot of 3rd party aesthetics, especially Maketoys and their anime-esque super robot look).

A few things put me off Combiner Wars.

1: The quality. From the first figure I got, there were QC issues out the wazoo. Quite aside from the dreadful, dreadful plastic, my Fireflight had a leg pin that was inserted wonky, my Alpha Bravo had a chronically loose waist and a misaligned combiner peg ratchet, Skydive would NOT hold together in jet mode, and all of the figures I got had difficulty holding their weapons. The cracking HFG ports was the last straw in terms of QC issues.

2: The overall cheapness and over-simplification. Engineering wise, they just aren't up to snuff. What was there was OK, but there wasn't enough there. No ankle or wrist articulation, open hollow limbs, lack of functionality (see Brawl and his immobile turret) and in some cases highly unconvincing vehicle modes (especially with the jets, who were pretty much just blocks with wings and nosecones). Then there were the HFGs, which were fine as hands (though the lack of properly articulated fingers sucked) but absolutely appalling as feet. All they had to do was do what the G1 figures did and pack the hands and feet with the main robot. And when they did do away with the HFGs they screwed up by not even accomplishing what the HFGs could do- the dedicated hands and feet were just solid, inarticulate blocks with nothing to do outside of combined mode. And the hands actually had even LESS articulation than the HFGs! The transformations were simple to the point of being insulting- the Voyagers weren't so bad in that regard but the Deluxes were just pathetic. To make matters even worse, rather than stagger the line out and make more original molds over a longer period of time, they rehashed the same few molds over and over again, wasting line budget on pointless redecos nobody asked for. And don't even get me started on Devastator, with his flimsy, brickish and ugly individual components who were all gimped for the sake of a combined mode that doesn't really work and looks disproportionate, with twig arms and absurdly long legs.

3: Distribution woes. None of Wave 2 was ever released in the UK, robbing us of a chance at a complete Superion and completely dashing hopes of Menasor. Same went for the "proper" Slingshot and Wildrider. Devastator was never released here (though why you'd want him is beyond me) and the only way to get any of them was to pay extortionate prices on eBay to import them. To put things in perspective, there were people asking for £40 for Air Raid. I could buy a brand-new Figma for that.

So yeah. I've been soured to CW for good. Unless HasTak goes through some kind of renaissance and returns to Unicron Trilogy quality plastic with HFTD-level engineering, or Takara does official MP combiners, I'm never touching official combiners again.

>"B-But muh simplicity! Muh affordabilty! Muh official product! Think of the children!"

Sod official product. When Chinese fans and KNOCKOFF MERCHANTS are producing far better quality product than your own in-house designers you know you f***ed up. Simplicity is what ruined the line- they're so simple that they lack basic articulation like ankles and wrists (and in the case of Hasbro Devastator, ELBOWS). They're not even that affordable, with deluxes going for an outrageous £16. As for the children? I wouldn't buy CW figures for my children if I had them, because I know they'd just break, most likely through no fault of the kids.

Jesus, I'm slowly but surely turning into Rated X.

Delta Magnus wrote:Sod official product. When Chinese fans and KNOCKOFF MERCHANTS are producing far better quality product than your own in-house designers you know you f***ed up. Simplicity is what ruined the line- they're so simple that they lack basic articulation like ankles and wrists (and in the case of Hasbro Devastator, ELBOWS). They're not even that affordable, with deluxes going for an outrageous £16. As for the children? I wouldn't buy CW figures for my children if I had them, because I know they'd just break, most likely through no fault of the kids.

Jesus, I'm slowly but surely turning into Rated X.

I know that feeling (still lookin' at you Magnus ) it's kind of sad the kiddy line of rid has the best quality out of the whole franchise right now, my figures are gloriously solid, I mean, Fracture would just need pins in his wrist or something to be completely flawless.

Delta Magnus wrote:Sod official product. When Chinese fans and KNOCKOFF MERCHANTS are producing far better quality product than your own in-house designers you know you f***ed up. Simplicity is what ruined the line- they're so simple that they lack basic articulation like ankles and wrists (and in the case of Hasbro Devastator, ELBOWS). They're not even that affordable, with deluxes going for an outrageous £16. As for the children? I wouldn't buy CW figures for my children if I had them, because I know they'd just break, most likely through no fault of the kids.

Jesus, I'm slowly but surely turning into Rated X.

If you swear off official products then why do you follow a thread of official products you know you dislike? While you raised good points, it's more that question that is on my mind. You dont see people who dislike 3p speak about how much they hate them in our 3P forums.

william-james88 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:Sod official product. When Chinese fans and KNOCKOFF MERCHANTS are producing far better quality product than your own in-house designers you know you f***ed up. Simplicity is what ruined the line- they're so simple that they lack basic articulation like ankles and wrists (and in the case of Hasbro Devastator, ELBOWS). They're not even that affordable, with deluxes going for an outrageous £16. As for the children? I wouldn't buy CW figures for my children if I had them, because I know they'd just break, most likely through no fault of the kids.

Jesus, I'm slowly but surely turning into Rated X.

If you swear off official products then why do you follow a thread of official products you know you dislike? While you raised good points, it's more that question that is on my mind. You dont see people who dislike 3p speak about how much they hate them in our 3P forums.

A mixture of bitterness and an attempt to get the word out to people that they're buying dross I guess. I dunno.

Delta Magnus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:Sod official product. When Chinese fans and KNOCKOFF MERCHANTS are producing far better quality product than your own in-house designers you know you f***ed up. Simplicity is what ruined the line- they're so simple that they lack basic articulation like ankles and wrists (and in the case of Hasbro Devastator, ELBOWS). They're not even that affordable, with deluxes going for an outrageous £16. As for the children? I wouldn't buy CW figures for my children if I had them, because I know they'd just break, most likely through no fault of the kids.

Jesus, I'm slowly but surely turning into Rated X.

If you swear off official products then why do you follow a thread of official products you know you dislike? While you raised good points, it's more that question that is on my mind. You dont see people who dislike 3p speak about how much they hate them in our 3P forums.

A mixture of bitterness and an attempt to get the word out to people that they're buying dross I guess. I dunno.

Sounds a lot like Rated X to me. But at least you admit it so that puts you a cut above, I guess.

Personally, I don't think that I've been buying dross. I've had very good QC with every CW figure I've bought, and the only one that has broken is Alpha Bravo (it doesn't affect combined mode, though). And I don't mind all the mold reuse (except if it involves the Breakdown or Brawl molds), as, like D-Max said, I have a feel for all the combiners and can combine and decombine them very quickly.

Also, complexity isnt everything. I once thought it was fundamental in determining how good a toy was but I stopped when sense came to me. If complexity was everything, then ROTF Mixmaster would be a better toy than Cybertorn Hotshot, but its not. And for combiners, when in limb mode, it makes no difference how complex a toy is.

Plus, the G1 toys all shared the same engineering, they were just slightly different bodies of what is essentially the same toy, which they had to be inorder to work under the Scrable City system.

Plus, when talking about complexity; I think a lot of people seem to forget the fact these are toys.
Sure, third parties may be able to accomplish a look that's a lot more accurate and detailed and without kibble and such. But the method to get there is a very complex very long transformation which isn't really meant to be fun. Part of the fun of a Transformer is the transforming; transforming a third party toy is stripped down to just something you have to do to get it to the other mode. Which is fine, but it's not quite what a lot of people are after.
I said it on the MP Inferno thread, but my stance on third parties is that I prefer buying add-ons like Perfect Effect's CW Hands/Feet. It keeps the simplicity, it's not expensive as heck, it adds to the figure rather than completely erase HasTak's design for the sake of accuracy or... looking really stupid http://news.tfw2005.com/wp-content/uplo ... sor-01.jpg .

Kurona wrote:Sure, third parties may be able to accomplish a look that's a lot more accurate and detailed and without kibble and such

Really?! I have never seen that. 3p companies are usually always innacurate inorder to not get sued and they still have tons of kibble. I will give you the detailed part but any complexity and extra moving parts is often times because they are unable to properly design something at the base level and thus need to add at later development stages (which is evident on figures like Appollyon).

Hasbro has less moving parts but is able to accomplish a similar look due to them having the best toy engineers on the planet who pride tmeselves on streamline and inovative techniques of transformation. I am talking of Takara, of course, and an amazing example I could give you would me movie Starscream. It looks like the most complex toy ever, with a ton of detail, but the transformation is straightforward and hassel free. A more extreme example would be movie Hound which Takara really aimed to have as much the look of the film with minimal kibble in a quick transformation. And they achieved it. It is just as hard if not harder to engineer a simple transformation rather than a more complex one, when aiming for a similar end product.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Sure, third parties may be able to accomplish a look that's a lot more accurate and detailed and without kibble and such

Really?! I have never seen that. 3p companies are usually always innacurate inorder to not get sued and they still have tons of kibble. I will give you the detailed part but any complexity and extra moving parts is often times because they are unable to properly design something at the base level and thus need to add at later development stages (which is evident on figures like Appollyon).

Hasbro has less moving parts but is able to accomplish a similar look due to them having the best toy engineers on the planet who pride tmeselves on streamline and inovative techniques of transformation. I am talking of Takara, of course, and an amazing example I could give you would me movie Starscream. It looks like the most complex toy ever, with a ton of detail, but the transformation is straightforward and hassel free. A more extreme example would be movie Hound which Takara really aimed to have as much the look of the film with minimal kibble in a quick transformation. And they achieved it.

Well... I guess when I say that, I'm meaning more in theory. What they can do. Due to the extra complexity and shifting of parts, they can achieve a certain look easier than the simplicity of CW provides. They have a lot more room and ability to do something with that complexity. But for that, it loses out on, of course, simplicity.

But nah, I generally agree with ya and get what you're talking about.
It's funny; it's a totally different experience when you get 'em in-hand. At first when I got into collecting I was all like "alright, I'll get this because I want a Bruticus to display", and that was it. I didn't even think of just transforming them much aside from just getting them from one form to another and I likely wouldn't transform unless for storage. But as soon as I got CW Blast Off - literally my first Transformer since like 2008 - I was transforming him back and forth so many times. It was and still is kinda fun.

william-james88 wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:Sod official product. When Chinese fans and KNOCKOFF MERCHANTS are producing far better quality product than your own in-house designers you know you f***ed up. Simplicity is what ruined the line- they're so simple that they lack basic articulation like ankles and wrists (and in the case of Hasbro Devastator, ELBOWS). They're not even that affordable, with deluxes going for an outrageous £16. As for the children? I wouldn't buy CW figures for my children if I had them, because I know they'd just break, most likely through no fault of the kids.

Jesus, I'm slowly but surely turning into Rated X.

If you swear off official products then why do you follow a thread of official products you know you dislike? While you raised good points, it's more that question that is on my mind. You dont see people who dislike 3p speak about how much they hate them in our 3P forums.

I know you weren't talking to me, but I'm going to answer anyway, my good sir.

Its because I want to like them. I want to get the same joy out of today's current product that I did when I was but a wee lad. I just cant, and it makes me sad, which makes me bitter, which makes me angry, which makes me American.

I have been trying to keep my negativity to myself, and not comment on the threads, though.

Delta Magnus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Hey guys, just some thoughts I wanted to share. When Quantron (not computron first came out), it was a hot item. I love the techonobots due to their futuristic look, how their colours work and how the overal combiner looks, so this was tempting. He is dirt cheap on BBTS now but I am definitely no longer interested. Compared to Takara's, he doesn't look much like Computron and definitely not when you look at the individual members. They look overworked and not smooth at all. Like other 3p toys, those look less G1 and more Neo G1. Lightspeed is a good example since he looks nothing like the car in the cartoon.



Plus the combiner peg system Hasbro and Takara developped is the best so far. So I am glad I decided not to get him back when I had found the price too much to bear.

Not saying anything against anyone who did get him, since I too wanted him. But looking back, it just doesnt look as good as the upcoming Takara Computron, nor as fun to play with.

On the plus side, he is substantially less likely to suffer stress fractures from the simple act of combining him on account of his plastic not being laced with suckium.

Also more paint, better detailing, ANKLE TILTS etc.

Assuming you're talking about the hasbro one, it has ankle tilts too. They don't have as much paint, but I think the plastic colors allow for some decent visual interest.

Delta Magnus wrote:The funny thing is, I used to be a big proponent of Combiner Wars. For the most part the designs are great. Aesthetically they look good (though I am rather fond of a lot of 3rd party aesthetics, especially Maketoys and their anime-esque super robot look).

A few things put me off Combiner Wars.

1: The quality. From the first figure I got, there were QC issues out the wazoo. Quite aside from the dreadful, dreadful plastic, my Fireflight had a leg pin that was inserted wonky, my Alpha Bravo had a chronically loose waist and a misaligned combiner peg ratchet, Skydive would NOT hold together in jet mode, and all of the figures I got had difficulty holding their weapons. The cracking HFG ports was the last straw in terms of QC issues.

2: The overall cheapness and over-simplification. Engineering wise, they just aren't up to snuff. What was there was OK, but there wasn't enough there. No ankle or wrist articulation, open hollow limbs, lack of functionality (see Brawl and his immobile turret) and in some cases highly unconvincing vehicle modes (especially with the jets, who were pretty much just blocks with wings and nosecones). Then there were the HFGs, which were fine as hands (though the lack of properly articulated fingers sucked) but absolutely appalling as feet. All they had to do was do what the G1 figures did and pack the hands and feet with the main robot. And when they did do away with the HFGs they screwed up by not even accomplishing what the HFGs could do- the dedicated hands and feet were just solid, inarticulate blocks with nothing to do outside of combined mode. And the hands actually had even LESS articulation than the HFGs! The transformations were simple to the point of being insulting- the Voyagers weren't so bad in that regard but the Deluxes were just pathetic. To make matters even worse, rather than stagger the line out and make more original molds over a longer period of time, they rehashed the same few molds over and over again, wasting line budget on pointless redecos nobody asked for. And don't even get me started on Devastator, with his flimsy, brickish and ugly individual components who were all gimped for the sake of a combined mode that doesn't really work and looks disproportionate, with twig arms and absurdly long legs.

3: Distribution woes. None of Wave 2 was ever released in the UK, robbing us of a chance at a complete Superion and completely dashing hopes of Menasor. Same went for the "proper" Slingshot and Wildrider. Devastator was never released here (though why you'd want him is beyond me) and the only way to get any of them was to pay extortionate prices on eBay to import them. To put things in perspective, there were people asking for £40 for Air Raid. I could buy a brand-new Figma for that.

So yeah. I've been soured to CW for good. Unless HasTak goes through some kind of renaissance and returns to Unicron Trilogy quality plastic with HFTD-level engineering, or Takara does official MP combiners, I'm never touching official combiners again.

>"B-But muh simplicity! Muh affordabilty! Muh official product! Think of the children!"

Sod official product. When Chinese fans and KNOCKOFF MERCHANTS are producing far better quality product than your own in-house designers you know you f***ed up. Simplicity is what ruined the line- they're so simple that they lack basic articulation like ankles and wrists (and in the case of Hasbro Devastator, ELBOWS). They're not even that affordable, with deluxes going for an outrageous £16. As for the children? I wouldn't buy CW figures for my children if I had them, because I know they'd just break, most likely through no fault of the kids.

Jesus, I'm slowly but surely turning into Rated X.

I don't see how they're "simplistic". They're efficient. They do exactly what they need to. And if your main complaints are simplicity and plastic quality, how are knock-off companies better? They're whole thing is that they simplify and use cheaper plastic to decrease costs.

Microraptor wrote:And if your main complaints are simplicity and plastic quality, how are knock-off companies better? They're whole thing is that they simplify and use cheaper plastic to decrease costs.

Times have changed. KOs can be really high quality now.

Check these out:

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william-james88 wrote:

Microraptor wrote:And if your main complaints are simplicity and plastic quality, how are knock-off companies better? They're whole thing is that they simplify and use cheaper plastic to decrease costs.

Times have changed. KOs can be really high quality now.

Check these out:

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ko-oversized-feral-rex-t106557.php

Don't forget Takasa Tony. I got an MP Wheeljack from them, and the quality is excellent.

Autobot N wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Microraptor wrote:And if your main complaints are simplicity and plastic quality, how are knock-off companies better? They're whole thing is that they simplify and use cheaper plastic to decrease costs.

Times have changed. KOs can be really high quality now.

Check these out:

pretender-%3Cb%3Egroundbreaker%3C/bridgemagnet-4k-reviews-oversized-aoe-lockdown-ko-t106165.php

ko-oversized-feral-rex-t106557.php

Don't forget Takasa Tony. I got an MP Wheeljack from them, and the quality is excellent.

I want to get the tracks they have. I have wheeljack and bumblebee and they are awesome

I know this is more from the conversation a few pages (and days) ago, but I would like to point out that Combiner Wars Smokescreen isn't lacking a lot of paint apps. He's actually got a ton...in alt mode. Where it lacks is in robot mode, and the problem is that he's basically made of blue plastic, so we get very little of the mixture of whites and reds in addition to blue that we are used to from this G1 appearances. Combiner Wars Wheeljack suffers a similar problem, with more attention paid to his alt mode than his robot mode. Takara's Lynx Master seems to fix most of these issues, except for its complete absence of Smokescreen.

As for the quality of Combiner War figures, I've not had one issue myself yet in terms of breakage, stress marks, cracks, etc. Sometimes, joints are loose, but that's a gamble with Transformers toys in general, even so far back as the Armada stuff. In fact, the only toys that have broken on me have been the older ones, like Energon Shockblast, whose arm just suddenly sheared off on me while he was in storage. Are you guys sure you're not hulking out on your poor toys, forcing square pegs into round holes or otherwise using excessive force?

Wolfman Jake wrote:As for the quality of Combiner War figures, I've not had one issue myself yet in terms of breakage, stress marks, cracks, etc. Sometimes, joints are loose, but that's a gamble with Transformers toys in general

Yeah same here, I have had no breakage with mine. The only thing I found problematic was how the Dead End limb would split when in arm mode.

I've also had no issues with any of the cw deluxes, a bit of trouble with hot spot not tabbing together properly. But these are toys, and with capitalism in full swing, maximised profit is the order of the day for hasbro. Takara could of easily been the same if it originated in a different country.

It's our right as consumers to demand better but we should also try to see what they're thinking lies so we can compromise.

Today's randomness: walked into my first walmart, and found a case of CW deluxe wave 2. Bought one of each to sell on ebay.

Ironhidensh wrote:Today's randomness: walked into my first walmart, and found a case of CW deluxe wave 2. Bought one of each to sell on ebay.

They sell for a lot more than retail on the secondary market?

william-james88 wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Today's randomness: walked into my first walmart, and found a case of CW deluxe wave 2. Bought one of each to sell on ebay.

They sell for a lot more than retail on the secondary market?

Sealed in package, you can double your money. I'm not gouging the price like scalpers are, so at the very least I'll come out out even plus 20 to 30 percent. Worth a shot at walmart retail price.

Ironhidensh wrote:Today's randomness: walked into my first walmart, and found a case of CW deluxe wave 2. Bought one of each to sell on ebay.

that was a lucky find

Bumblebee21 wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Today's randomness: walked into my first walmart, and found a case of CW deluxe wave 2. Bought one of each to sell on ebay.

that was a lucky find

It just means they found a year old box during inventory.

Ok so I got my G2 Stunticons in the end. They are fun and the decos are stellar. Also, I get to finally experience how the Menasor Torso is supposed to be with proper ratchets...its ok. I still preffer the taller stance I give him.

My favourite part ofthe whole set is the top rectangle at the centre of Wildrider's car mode. Its such a perfect tampograph, I love it. Though I would have really liked if they painted his inner/top arms blue. It would have worked perfectly toemulate the G2 look. I also would have liked Dragstripto have the chekered design tampographs on the side of his vehicle. And lastly, while Motormaster has phenominal deco in robot mode, his torso mode is really lacking paint.

I thought the g2 Motormaster didn't have the fixed hips?