New Images for Legacy Wildrider, Elita-1, and Knockout with Comparisons

william-james88 wrote:The juxtaposition between Wildrider and "Brakeneck"

Where?

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:The juxtaposition between Wildrider and "Brakeneck"

Where?

Sorry, forgot to include it



Thanks for pointing it out.

That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

Yeah, to me, the POTP Voyager is still the best-looking of the the Elita-1 figures released so far. She may not be a car anymore, but at least she looks the part the most in robot mode (and was given in-fiction justification as a body upgrade).

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

Yeah, to me, the POTP Voyager is still the best-looking of the the Elita-1 figures released so far. She may not be a car anymore, but at least she looks the part the most in robot mode (and was given in-fiction justification as a body upgrade).

Exactly. I think the jet mode kinda turned me off the figure, because it was a repaint and it made her too bulky as well, even if, as you said, the fiction justification was there. If she had had some kind of larger car mode, and perhaps hadn't been a combiner, she would be in my collection. But I understand why she was done that way.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

Yeah, to me, the POTP Voyager is still the best-looking of the the Elita-1 figures released so far. She may not be a car anymore, but at least she looks the part the most in robot mode (and was given in-fiction justification as a body upgrade).

Exactly. I think the jet mode kinda turned me off the figure, because it was a repaint and it made her too bulky as well, even if, as you said, the fiction justification was there. If she had had some kind of larger car mode, and perhaps hadn't been a combiner, she would be in my collection. But I understand why she was done that way.

Personally, I think she wears the mold better than who it was made for. The Starscream version is very lousy.

Cartoon accurate or not, I find the little hat on top of Elita-1's vehicle mode hilarious.

Also, if I can ignore that this Knock-Out is supposed to be a Prime character, he's not so bad. I didn't expect a SS-86 Jazz retool though. I wonder if this one will have the same fragility issues?

After finally having played with Kingdom Legacy Blaster, I was completely impressed. It is truly deserving of the title "mini masterpiece". The bot is perfect with no hollow parts aside the wrists. The boom box mode have a CLEAN BACK. The transformation is about the same as the G1 original just with some extra steps. Plus the engineering is so simple, I can see why they were able to include a cassette guy in the box.

One of the best Transformers this year!

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

i'm just glade they got rid of that hover board. i was hyped for her WFC toy until i saw that blasted hover board.

I like the new Elita-1, not entirely cartoon accurate but I'm not sure how they would pull that off. She does however get a decent balance of bulk and maintaining a femminine appearance, keeping closer to "superhero proportions" than PoTP while not being a shellformer like Netflix.

Not fond of or interested in the Prime Universe figures as I believe they should have kept to the original designs. Knockout dosnt change that view at all.

Really hyped for Wildrider as he is my fave Stunticon, Figure looks great.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

Yeah, to me, the POTP Voyager is still the best-looking of the the Elita-1 figures released so far. She may not be a car anymore, but at least she looks the part the most in robot mode (and was given in-fiction justification as a body upgrade).

Exactly. I think the jet mode kinda turned me off the figure, because it was a repaint and it made her too bulky as well, even if, as you said, the fiction justification was there. If she had had some kind of larger car mode, and perhaps hadn't been a combiner, she would be in my collection. But I understand why she was done that way.

I'm with you on all of that. She just wasn't Elita-1 enough for me. And that jet mold is not great. Very simplistic, with odd proportions for any bot mode, reminded me of those Gobot reboot toys for younger kids.
Also, the colours and size of the bot mode was off. A tall deluxe would be best, as you said, but a voyager would just not work with any of the WFC Optimus molds.

As a TF Prime lover, that Knockout is just a$$. Yes the original toy was also, but Geewunning that figure is a horrific insult to the animation model. If it were, say, a new character or even Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen it would be infinitely better. But as a TFP figure, it's just insulting.

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Knockout is fine. Do like the car mode. Yes I do own the Prime release, and he's just o.k.

Wildrider on the other hand looks fantastic. Loving the car mode, the transformation looks involved but fun. Can't wait for the rest of them.

I wasn't sold on the Menasor idea at the beginning, but the more I see of these guys the less it bugs me that Mensor can just exist without them. They are just so well done.

Can't wait to see Breakdown and DeadEnd.

First-Aid wrote:As a TF Prime lover, that Knockout is just a$$. Yes the original toy was also, but Geewunning that figure is a horrific insult to the animation model. If it were, say, a new character or even Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen it would be infinitely better. But as a TFP figure, it's just insulting.

This is why I want to get RED Knock Out instead.

For people with not a huge knowledge of Knockout, I can see that toy being a great Decpticon rank filler.
Elita-1 looks honestly kinda neat, digging the proportions and weapons, even if they are transparent. But I still feel like she needs some extra paint on the robot and defiantly on the vehicle, which isn't a hard fix and something I have the set up to do.
Wild rider is .. ok? Feel like he's the one Stunticon I always forget the name of More excited for the rest of the crew, for sure, but these new pictures of the transformation and extra angles of the robot mode have warmed me a lil

Personally I think Elita looks adorable! I'll probably get the Minerva version, but it is a very good looking figure regardless.
Knockout looks good, I'm not big into Prime but he is a nice looking figure.
Wildrider, eh, not sure on. He looks a bit clunky. Nice car mode though.

I never really let backpacks bother me unless they're bordering on shellformer levels (many Arcee toys, for example) or if they're just clumsily integrated. Honestly the backpack for Wildrider looked a bit clumsy at first to me, but I was letting it slide with how great everything else looked - and honestly these pics really helped out too! Shows the backpack isn't really getting in the way of everything.

I'm still personally on board with Knock-Out. I totally understand that people wanted their Prime figs to look like...y'know, their Prime selves...but I'm digging the "What If?" and I think he'd be a good rank filler too. A team always needs a medic, right?
I'm still waiting for the inevitable Flamewar retool of Legacy's Arcee figure though.

And I'd rather wait for the obvious Minerva retool for that Elita-1 figure. The PotP was much more my speed with having a nice (to me) jet mode and also being a big bot.

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Then Hasbro shouldn't call her Elita.

To be fair, Elita's cartoon model, being as it is without even Arcee's shoulder pods, is completely unworkable as a transforming toy (it doesn't even have an onscreen transformation!). Now personally I feel like a new Voyager scale Elita that turned into a streamlined Cybertronian truck would be cool, but this one doesn't look half bad.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Then Hasbro shouldn't call her Elita.

You know what pretools are, man.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Then Hasbro shouldn't call her Elita.

Yeah just call her Paint Job 1 and be done with it

Sabrblade wrote:

First-Aid wrote:As a TF Prime lover, that Knockout is just a$$. Yes the original toy was also, but Geewunning that figure is a horrific insult to the animation model. If it were, say, a new character or even Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen it would be infinitely better. But as a TFP figure, it's just insulting.

This is why I want to get RED Knock Out instead.

Too bad that figure is so big compared to any converting Prime toy you'd place him with.

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Then Hasbro shouldn't call her Elita.

You know what pretools are, man.

And I also know what a high profile character is. Elita deserves better than being a pretool. See my (and Sabrblade's) point about PoTP Elita. If both Elita and Minerva just had to share a mold, it should have been designed with Elita as the focus and Minerva as the pretool. My opinion only, of course.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Then Hasbro shouldn't call her Elita.

You know what pretools are, man.

And I also know what a high profile character is. Elita deserves better than being a pretool. See my (and Sabrblade's) point about PoTP Elita. If both Elita and Minerva just had to share a mold, it should have been designed with Elita as the focus and Minerva as the pretool. My opinion only, of course.

Honestly, judging from their presentation, Elita was not at all described as a protocol of any kind. Clearly, molds are designed for multiple usages, but getting to this particular mold seems to have been through designing her first. And the alt mode does have a G1 influence.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:That Elita is still a huge swing and a miss, IMO. She's too short in robot mode, the vehicle mode looks like a clown car, and her headsculpt is just off-putting. She should have been a tall deluxe like Siege Ironhide is, the vehicle mode could have been accommodated. And I didn't care much for the PoTP voyager, but at least it had a better looking head.

It's because she's not designed to be Elita, she's pretty clearly intended to be Minerva

Then Hasbro shouldn't call her Elita.

You know what pretools are, man.

And I also know what a high profile character is. Elita deserves better than being a pretool. See my (and Sabrblade's) point about PoTP Elita. If both Elita and Minerva just had to share a mold, it should have been designed with Elita as the focus and Minerva as the pretool. My opinion only, of course.

I don't entirely disagree. It's weird to make it Minerva first and foremost when she isn't even a retail figure, she's an exclusive. And it isn't a particularly great Minerva mold to begin with either. It really should have been Elita-1 first, she's never been the prime use of a mold and deserves as much far more than Minerva, especially if she isn't going to be a Headmaster. But to be honest I think it's an alright version of Elita-1, especially if you don't extend the shoulder parts like we initially saw in the reveal stream. I guess we'll know in a few months just how much of Elita-1 will stick around in the Minerva release.

Emerje

Working on a story that sheds light on thus exact topic

While many come to Seibertron for the latest Transformers news, we also have a message board where many fans share their love and criticism of all things Transformers (and you are all welcome to join in on the fun). Lately there has been discussion on the Legacy Elita-1 toy coming out next and on its legitimacy as a mold for Elita-1 herself or a mold made with someone else in mind. While all molds are made with multiple uses in mind, and there being some solid rumours of Elita-1's mold being reused for Minerva, a recent deep dive into the design process does give us a big hint that Elita-1's mold was made for her first and foremost (at least, it reads that way). In a recent Instagram post, Mark Maher, the lead Transformers designer at Hasbro, write about how difficult the design process was for this particular toy since so many people wanted various aspects, and he shows some different designs. One of them looks a lot like Alex Milne's design for Arcee in the TF vs Terminator comic for instance. We see some changes in the car mode as well, with the tires.

We also see some images of the sample figure in the two different backpack configurations.

[quote="Rodimus Prime"And I also know what a high profile character is. [/quote]


Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.

Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.

Being heavily connected to a high profile character is all it takes. Look at Roller!

The first design is weird... Elita One is too (Muscualar? Fat? I dunno) And the size of those *breasts* is sus. I think Elita One turned out fine the way she is now.

First-Aid wrote:[quote="Rodimus Prime"And I also know what a high profile character is.

Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.[/quote]


It's unintentional, Cheetor has that strange hinge too. They just wanted to show that he can acually sit on the thone

And whats with the h-2-228 on Elita? Looked it up and it's https://www.google.com/search?q=h+2+228&oq=h+2+228&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i546l3.2769j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Evil Eye wrote:To be fair, Elita's cartoon model, being as it is without even Arcee's shoulder pods, is completely unworkable as a transforming toy (it doesn't even have an onscreen transformation!). Now personally I feel like a new Voyager scale Elita that turned into a streamlined Cybertronian truck would be cool, but this one doesn't look half bad.

I've seen concepts of truck Elita, but it seems lazy. She should be her own charecter, not just female optimus prime!

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:And whats with the h-2-228 on Elita? Looked it up and it's https://www.google.com/search?q=h+2+228&oq=h+2+228&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i546l3.2769j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

That's probably the ID number for the test shot, it won't be on the final release.

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.

Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.

So why is she still being talked about even now, and having gotten attention in the last 2 trilogies? Yet Minerva has been nowhere? When it comes to profile, Elita > Minerva.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.

Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.

So why is she still being talked about even now, and having gotten attention in the last 2 trilogies? Yet Minerva has been nowhere? When it comes to profile, Elita > Minerva.

Yes, and the designer is aware, hence my article. This mold is Elita's. Now if you like it or not, it's a different story and any take is valid. But Hasbro deems this their attempt at a mold focused on a G1 Elita-1.

william-james88 wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.

Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.

So why is she still being talked about even now, and having gotten attention in the last 2 trilogies? Yet Minerva has been nowhere? When it comes to profile, Elita > Minerva.

Yes, and the designer is aware, hence my article. This mold is Elita's. Now if you like it or not, it's a different story and any take is valid. But Hasbro deems this their attempt at a mold focused on a G1 Elita-1.

I understand that, which is why I don't like it and said so. But I'm just 1 person, and Hasbro goes with majority opinion, because that makes them the most money. So if a lot of others like the figure and accept it as an adequate or even excellent representation of the character, it is what it is. We all have our opinion and (presumably) our own money to spend and in the end that's what matters. We must speak with our wallets because that's the most common language Hasbro understands, from design to accounting to marketing.

I gotta admit, this design appeals to me more than the majority of the lady-bot car designs from the last few years of CHUG. And, personally, I've stopped caring just how much the term "Legacy" applies to these figures, since some of the better-looking ones (like Elita and the Prime Universe figures) have strayed the most from their original looks. Sacrificing show accuracy for a better Transformer toy is worth it to me.

Glarryg

Glarryg wrote:I gotta admit, this design appeals to me more than the majority of the lady-bot car designs from the last few years of CHUG. And, personally, I've stopped caring just how much the term "Legacy" applies to these figures, since some of the better-looking ones (like Elita and the Prime Universe figures) have strayed the most from their original looks. Sacrificing show accuracy for a better Transformer toy is worth it to me.

Glarryg

Legacy is a fun & great concept if Hasbro can pull it off properly. I think, as lacking as Bulkhead & especially Arcee were in its execution, choosing them to Geewunify is a good idea. Legacy brings Bulkhead into the G1/80's universe, and Arcee a more realistic Earth mode that people can't complain like the T30/ER/SS versions. So Geewunify more popular non-G1 characters into G1 designs, I'm fine with that!

But I wished Hasbro would go with doing faithful-to-toon TFP Knockout, Blackarachnia & Smokescreen. If not in Legacy than in a future toy line. Those were the weakest of the TFP figures and deserve a redo. Bring TFP Ratchet into the Voyager scale would be nice too.

So Legacy Knockout is a disappointment in that regard (for me). But I still pre-ordered as it's a good figure. It'll replace the original until I can get a near-MSRP R.E.D. Knockout as a replacement on my Prime shelf (then I'll rework it into Rapido). I haven't found R.E.D. Knockout available in stores or online at Walmart Canada yet though. I don't have my hopes up.

Evil Eye wrote:To be fair, Elita's cartoon model, being as it is without even Arcee's shoulder pods, is completely unworkable as a transforming toy (it doesn't even have an onscreen transformation!). Now personally I feel like a new Voyager scale Elita that turned into a streamlined Cybertronian truck would be cool, but this one doesn't look half bad.

I just watched 'Search for Alpha Trion' today, and she actually did transform in that episode, right when she and Prime pull up after she's repaired. It's mostly obscured by Prime, though. The front of her car mode kind of shrinks and forms her chest. You'd think the leader of the female Autobots (and Prime's girlfriend) would have gotten a better transformation than that. Hell, you see more of Lancer and Greenlight's transformations than Elita's, and they didn't even have any lines in the episode, not to mention it took almost 25 years after it aired for them to even get names.

That being said, I do think Elita One should have been a larger Deluxe (like Ironhide), or a Voyager, to better scale with Prime.

First-Aid wrote:As a TF Prime lover, that Knockout is just a$$. Yes the original toy was also, but Geewunning that figure is a horrific insult to the animation model. If it were, say, a new character or even Prowl/Bluestreak/Smokescreen it would be infinitely better. But as a TFP figure, it's just insulting.

It's also such a weird decision. They didn't G1-ify Beast Wars or the Unicron trilogy, thankfully. So I don't know what the deal with them doing that crap to Transformers Prime is. Everyone is saying "hey, but what ifs are cool". Yeah, they're cool when you've gotten the main version first. Otherwise, it feels like a crappy bait and switch.

For those who don't get the complaints about the Prime guys having gotten G-ified. Imagine if Hasbro had never made a new G1 Starscream, no classics seeker mold, no Generations, no Combiner Wars or WFC or anything. And then, when it finally seems like you'll get a new one, it's 2007 movie Starscream in G1 colors. You'd all be losing your shit.

Rtron wrote:For those who don't get the complaints about the Prime guys having gotten G-ified. Imagine if Hasbro had never made a new G1 Starscream, no classics seeker mold, no Generations, no Combiner Wars or WFC or anything. And then, when it finally seems like you'll get a new one, it's 2007 movie Starscream in G1 colors. You'd all be losing your ****.

Funny thing is if Classics didn't happen we would have gotten just that.



I wonder how we would have reacted? RobotMasters was out there in Japan, but Hasbro didn't have any interest in importing it so most fans didn't have access. There was the Starscream repaint from Energon, but that's no better than the movie repaint since it was a different character and not a perfect resemblance. I feel like we just would have been amused and a little annoyed by the paint app more than anything since there wasn't much of a precedence for new G1 figures back then. We're pretty spoiled now.

What I want to know is why people want new Prime toys that look exactly like the original toys? What could Hasbro possibly do to improve on them now? Ankle tilts? Nothing they could do today would be better than what we had then so they may as well do something different. What we need is more reissues IMO.

Emerje

I think it's cool to have a unified design aesthetic for a line(and the brand as whole), I just don't think it's a good idea to call it the "G1 aesthetic".

Elita One is looking cool.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.

Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.

Being heavily connected to a high profile character is all it takes. Look at Roller!

There's so many characters that have brief story appearances. If we can get all of the seeker repaints, we can have Elita One.

Day 877 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

Emerje wrote:

Rtron wrote:For those who don't get the complaints about the Prime guys having gotten G-ified. Imagine if Hasbro had never made a new G1 Starscream, no classics seeker mold, no Generations, no Combiner Wars or WFC or anything. And then, when it finally seems like you'll get a new one, it's 2007 movie Starscream in G1 colors. You'd all be losing your ****.

Funny thing is if Classics didn't happen we would have gotten just that.



I wonder how we would have reacted? RobotMasters was out there in Japan, but Hasbro didn't have any interest in importing it so most fans didn't have access. There was the Starscream repaint from Energon, but that's no better than the movie repaint since it was a different character and not a perfect resemblance. I feel like we just would have been amused and a little annoyed by the paint app more than anything since there wasn't much of a precedence for new G1 figures back then. We're pretty spoiled now.

What I want to know is why people want new Prime toys that look exactly like the original toys? What could Hasbro possibly do to improve on them now? Ankle tilts? Nothing they could do today would be better than what we had then so they may as well do something different. What we need is more reissues IMO.

Emerje

[Sighs in Airachnid]

Evil Eye wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Rtron wrote:For those who don't get the complaints about the Prime guys having gotten G-ified. Imagine if Hasbro had never made a new G1 Starscream, no classics seeker mold, no Generations, no Combiner Wars or WFC or anything. And then, when it finally seems like you'll get a new one, it's 2007 movie Starscream in G1 colors. You'd all be losing your ****.

Funny thing is if Classics didn't happen we would have gotten just that.



I wonder how we would have reacted? RobotMasters was out there in Japan, but Hasbro didn't have any interest in importing it so most fans didn't have access. There was the Starscream repaint from Energon, but that's no better than the movie repaint since it was a different character and not a perfect resemblance. I feel like we just would have been amused and a little annoyed by the paint app more than anything since there wasn't much of a precedence for new G1 figures back then. We're pretty spoiled now.

What I want to know is why people want new Prime toys that look exactly like the original toys? What could Hasbro possibly do to improve on them now? Ankle tilts? Nothing they could do today would be better than what we had then so they may as well do something different. What we need is more reissues IMO.

Emerje

[Sighs in Airachnid]

This. there were figures that were subpar that needed a redo, among them Knockout, Airachnid, and Smokescreen. There are also figures that needed something more in scale and could use an improvement, like Predaking, Darksteel, and Sky Lynx. Then there were some where they got a good figure, but it was the damned first editions that were hard to get a hold of and are uber expensive now, like Cliffjumper and Arcee. Lest we forget that Hasbro never released a Breakdown until the new re-release and we were shorted a Unicron Megatron.

There were options.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.

Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.

So why is she still being talked about even now, and having gotten attention in the last 2 trilogies? Yet Minerva has been nowhere? When it comes to profile, Elita > Minerva.

You're definitely correct there. Minerva hasn't really been used in American fiction, until very recently - The Wreckers comic that wrapped a few months back. In that comic, she's sporting that body and alt-mode given to the currently discussed Elita-1.

Besides the rumors, my thinking was that it takes a good while to plan all this stuff out. Minerva started appearing as a Wrecker last year, which means they probably started finalizing all this in 2020(?). Is it the chicken or the egg? I don't know - I don't care, either. I'm just breaking down why it 'makes sense' that Minerva was the original and Elita-1 the tool modification, but we know all these alternate heads and body parts get put on the same sprue so it doesn't really have to be either/or.

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Rodimus Prime wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:And I also know what a high profile character is.

Yep, 6 minutes of TOTAL screen time in a single episode of a series that ran 4 seasons and was never seen again after that. Totally high profile. It's like naming the Underminer the a main character of the first "Incredibles" movie.

So why is she still being talked about even now, and having gotten attention in the last 2 trilogies? Yet Minerva has been nowhere? When it comes to profile, Elita > Minerva.

You're definitely correct there. Minerva hasn't really been used in American fiction, until very recently - The Wreckers comic that wrapped a few months back. In that comic, she's sporting that body and alt-mode given to the currently discussed Elita-1.

Besides the rumors, my thinking was that it takes a good while to plan all this stuff out. Minerva started appearing as a Wrecker last year, which means they probably started finalizing all this in 2020(?). Is it the chicken or the egg? I don't know - I don't care, either. I'm just breaking down why it 'makes sense' that Minerva was the original and Elita-1 the tool modification, but we know all these alternate heads and body parts get put on the same sprue so it doesn't really have to be either/or.

Pretty much this, we know that it takes about 2 years to design a toy.

Also, if you want to get technical, mineva has vastly more screen Time then Elita, only difference is the countries that it was shown

Ultimately I don't think it matters who came first or who wears it best. As long as the Mineva rumours are correct, she'll get her first toy in the west (unless there's some exclusive I'm not familiar with) that should be cause for celebration anyway.

I wasn't crapping on Minerva, I wish she had been featured more. I'm just saying they're distinct enough that they deserve separate designs.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I wasn't crapping on Minerva, I wish she had been featured more. I'm just saying they're distinct enough that they deserve separate designs.

Oh, I never thought you were. And I don't disagree. If I had an issue with saturation, though, I'd say Arcee and Elita-1 are both being made a bit too repeatedly.